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John Henry's avatar

Having spent the past nearly 50 years working in and with manufacturing automation, I am in the optimist camp.

I've been hearing since the early 50s "you can be replaced with a button" often as part of a screed about how automation was going to put us all out of work. It has not happened yet. Even without AI I do not believe it will ever happen.

Not only have we created new jobs (Like Changeover Wizard?) for all those people displaced by automation, we have generally created better better jobs.

Go read Henry Ford's 1923 autobio "My Life and Work" (Email me at johnhenry@changeover.com if you would like a copy) He describes how he invented what is now called the Toyota Production System..

He was also a fanatic on automation "NEVER put a man to do what a machine can do" He probably created more jobs, paying double or more the going wage, than anyoiine before or since.

Manufacturing output in the US, for all the doom and gloom we hear has increased steadily and dramatically year after year from WWII to today.

Manufacturing employment is down and that is a good thing. Most unskilled and semi-skilled (fully trained in a month or so of on the job training) are really crappy. They are probably not something to be desired, they are something to be eliminated.

So, let's go automation and let's go robotics. And to the extent that AI can improve automation and robotics, lets go AI.

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Kalen's avatar

Trying to figure out anything sane about AI (in its current form this AI cycle as LLMs) is massively overcomplicated by the boosterism of a marauding giant blob of money getting anxious that tech is about to turn into a dull industry. There's a hundred years of science fiction to coopt as marketing (even when it's apocalyptic; if your app could take over the world there's no question that it's competent), quasi-messianic cults inside of some of the largest developers high on their own supply, and astounding capital investments that, much like when we did this a few years ago with self-driving cars, aren't getting made back in a timely fashion.

I think comparing it to welding is instructive- because it suggests that the answer for what happens with any realistic automation technology is 'it's a mess and it depends.' AI investors and marketers are keen to present LLM capabilities as completely novel and transformative- and it's true, they do some neat things that were hard to do before- but they're also clearly part of a long chain of search technologies, text generators and linters, and inappropriate personification of simple programs, that stretches back at least two generations.

And my experience both training and using ML/DL-based systems is that they're certainly neat but not hard to back into an inappropriate use case- like any piece of software. When I checked in occasionally for writing help to generate a punchy line, the results were...fine, but I wandered off because because writing is conveying particularities inside my head that the machine isn't privy to (and it isn't that good). I suppose it could write customer service boilerplate- but the competition there is the templates everyone mostly uses already. I've flicked on assorted copilots while coding, and it's pretty nice- but the entire story of programming from machine code on has been about generating more standardized instructions with less typing- this is continuity again. And as a search add-on? It's notably, actively bad.

And then we have welding- a task where most of the volume of the task done in the world happens under repeatable controlled conditions, and so it was mostly but absolutely not completely, handed to machines- over the course of a century, with booms and busts tethered to bigger economic forces, and slowed by the fact that the next weird edge case that breaks the extant version of a technology is always much closer than you'd like to think.

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