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Kevin M.'s avatar

I don't understand how you could write an article about "who wins Nobel prizes" and not at least mention the fact that over 20% of Nobel prizes have been awarded to Jewish people. That statistic is more remarkable than anything else you mentioned.

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EBS's avatar

Not an unrelated fact to most of the German prizes being for work done before 1935

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Kelly Papapavlou's avatar

What do you mean of Jewish? The religion or the place of origin? Then what about the remaining 80% ? Perhaps this 80% is Christians, Muslims or agnostic......

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Mitch R.'s avatar

Then show that on a per-capita basis!

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Tom's avatar
Mar 28Edited

Been interested in this phenomenon myself

The strongest case against it is that a lot of Jewish Nobel laureates are only partially Jewish, if you were to look for (say) Scottish or Irish heritage for Prize winners I suspect you'll also find numbers disproportionate to the overall population of those groups

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Kevin M.'s avatar

I doubt that's the explanation. IQ test constistently show Jewish people average about 15 points higher than the general population.

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Paul Novosad's avatar

You might be interested in our paper on the childhood socioeconomic status of the Nobel laureates in the sciences, which we proxied based on fathers' occupation: https://paulnovosad.com/pdf/nobel-prizes.pdf

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Michael Frank Martin's avatar

This is really important work, and I really appreciate your publishing the dataset. I did a spot check of one prize I have some personal experience with, which is W.E. Moerner's prize for single molecule spectroscopy, which he received in 2014. The dataset lists his affiliation at the time of doing the work as Stanford University. In fact, Moerner had started the work and published many of its key results while at IBM Research in the 1990s and at UCSD, where he moved from IBM before moving to Stanford.

It's just one data point, but it does make me question the integrity of the conclusions that can be reached on the set as a whole. This is important research that deserves more careful scrunity.

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Daniel Williams's avatar

Surprising that Russia is not on the countries list as it has spawned so many brilliant scientists. But many of them emigrated out of there.

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Ian Keay's avatar

I was thinking the same thing. Could be the anglophone bias, could be that authoritarian regimes stifle original research. Be interesting to update this analysis in 25 years time and see if the US has fallen off a cliff. The UK is building the East West Rail between Oxford and Cambridge, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_West_Rail, and is seriously considering the Oxford-Cambridge Growth Corridor, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford–Cambridge_Arc, which could if built (big IF) lead to Oxbridge maintaining its position.

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Ryan Davidson's avatar

Two quick observations about the universities getting lots of Nobels:

1. Cambridge has been a leading center for research in mathematics and physics since at least the seventeenth century. Both Isaac Newton and Stephen Hawking were at Cambridge, for instance. Oxford has historically been a leader on the humanities side of things, particularly language, literature, and history. As Nobel Prizes aren't awarded in the humanities, it makes sense that Oxford would lead Cambridge here.

2. The reason CalTech and U.C. Berkeley have so many Nobel Prizes is because both are major centers of elementary/particle physics funded by the U.S. federal government. Several major federal atomic research labs (Lawrence Livermore, Sandia, JPL etc.) are closely associated with them, and many leading researchers in things like the Manhattan Project worked at one or the other (e.g., Oppenheimer).

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Gary Mindlin Miguel's avatar

> As Nobel Prizes aren't awarded in the humanities

The analysis excluded the nobel in literature, but it exists!

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Destiny's avatar

I would have liked to see literature and economics included in your analysis. It would have made the spread less asymmetric. You don’t need a hadron collider to write a story and Oxford is strong in literature. The Peace prize would make it even less asymmetric. Math too but you would need fields medal or Abel prize winners.

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Octavi Escala Semonin's avatar

Some academics also think the longer delay to giving the award is to avoid PR problems like James Watson. Not saying it’s a good reason, but it might tend to distort the data a bit.

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firehat's avatar

The absence of Russian/Soviet awards is suspect at best. If the numbers are taken as an indicator of national capacity for innovation or ingenuity they have to be considered suspect.

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