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Kaleberg's avatar

When I think of wind power, I remember the 1970s human powered flight challenges. Human powered aircraft had to be light, large, strong, flexible and make optimal use of limited power. The 1970s was the start of a materials revolution. There were all those lightweight fabrics and metals, low friction plastic bearings, power permanent magnets and sophisticated computer systems to design and control it all.

When I was in college, my class was asked why the ancient Romans couldn't build integrated circuits. They are largely made of silicon, something the Romans used all the time in the form of silicon dioxide in stone and sand. We wound up developing a technology tree with existing technology depending on earlier technologies and it was a pretty deep tree between 1970s era integrated circuits and anything the Romans could make.

Just as turbines had to wait for the materials and machining revolutions of the 19th century to play out, cost effective wind power had to rely on dozens, even hundreds of technologies. Looking at the computational technology alone, my personal viewpoint, is revealing. For a long time, even back in the 1990s, simulating the air flow around a helicopter blade was considered a distant reach for super-computing. Now it's standard practice. The finite element method for the support structures was being widely adopted, for example, to minimize materials in aluminum soda cans, but that wasn't the kind of thing one could do on a PC.

Then you have to deal with the compact generator, the blade control, and the ability to produce synchronized AC power. That meant new magnetic materials, new approaches to generator design, solid state power circuitry and what I can only call improved wind science. All told, it's been a pretty amazing trip.

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norstadt's avatar

Interesting that wind power is so cheap, but electricity so expensive in Europe and renewables-heavy US states.

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Kaleberg's avatar

You need energy storage or backup power for wind power to work. You can't go 100% wind without dealing with what happens when the wind dies down. That costs money.

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norstadt's avatar

Apparently, something is missing from the table "Levelized Cost of Energy Comparison -- Unsubsidized Analysis (Lazard)". I remember when Enron was manipulating energy price accounting, and it was a big scandal where people ended up in prison.

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Michael van der Riet's avatar

There's quite a lot of accounting legerdemain involved in presenting the cost of renewable energy to the publicv. Until recently I did the financial number-crunching for a company making auction bids to NERSA the National Energy Regulator of South Africa and the strike price of wind energy was the highest with solar not very far behind.

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TonyZa's avatar

We waited so long because there were no subsidies for wind power. We would still be waiting without them. A power source that is so subjected to the whims of weather that is unreliable would never be adopted on it's own merits. There's a reason windmills died out regardless of how charming they looked.

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JamesLeng's avatar

Why were grid hookups for farms made conditional on destroying existing wind turbines?

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ToddS's avatar

Totally fascinating!

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Sylvester Marquardt's avatar

Nice job, Brian! I worked at investment companies for decades, including analysis of renewable energy. You covered it all! And very clearly! But investment returns are important. The Dems give green energy subsidies, and the GOP gives fossil fuels subsidies. Yes, when the dust settles, humans often choose the lowest cost. Let's find a way to add the environmental cost to that equation...something that will persuade both sides. But again. Well done!

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Philip Lewis's avatar

The "fossil fuel subsidies" are a very tiny fraction of those given to renewables per power generated.

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jseliger's avatar

One interesting piece about wind is the sheer amount of it stuck in permitting hell: https://seliger.com/2022/09/01/permitting-is-the-big-barrier-to-wind-energy-right-now-beyond-batteries-and-fundamental-research/.

We're building a lot of it—but should be doing even more.

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Philip Lewis's avatar

More interesting is the number of localities that have rejected wind projects...about 300 and counting. No one wants to live near a wind farm.

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Matt's avatar

You should also consider small wind companies like www.flowgen.com LCOE at around 12 cents per kWh and installation in less than 3 months. The efficiency of a wind turbine is over 50%, and due to the low height in most EU countries, only construction permits are needed. Using the current building structure to get height with 160 kilos of weight per wind turbine can be placed on most roofs of manufacturing facilities. A single wind turbine at 7 m/s produces around 20 000 kWh.

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Godfree Roberts's avatar

Great summary. Many thanks!!

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Peter S's avatar

Really glad to see you write about wind power, I was just about to ask if you'd looked into that industry since its capable of constructing huge complicated structures for remarkably little money. I wonder if there are lessons to be learnt there for the rest of the construction industry.

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Brian Potter's avatar

Yeah this is sort of an oblique but interesting lesson in successful economies of scale in construction. I'm not sure how transferable it is to building construction unfortunately - wind has the benefit of a) producing lots and lots of nearly identical things, and b) geometric effects to take advantage of (a lot of the cost per kW decrease is due to increasingly large turbines)

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Peter S's avatar

What geometric effects are you thinking of? Because from a materials standpoint, the square-cube law actually has an adverse effect on wind turbines since power only scales with rotor area while material use scales with the cube of linear dimensions. So big turbines use more materials per watt at a given technology level.

You do of course get big savings in labour costs since they scale sublinearly with size for both construction, installation and maintenance - so I guess that's where most of the cost decrease comes from. And then there's the other big advantage of reaching higher wind speeds at higher hub heights which has a disproportionally large effect on power output since it scales with the cube of wind speed.

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velocista88's avatar

Great Article. What I do not really understand is why governments spend billions in subsidizing wind and solar if those technologies are so cheap? Thanks!

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Paul F. Dietz's avatar

Technologies that have good experience effects are good targets for subsidies. The cost decline from experience is a positive externality, and positive externalities should be subsidized. As the cost decline flattens out the subsidy should be removed.

Subsidies are also imperfect substitutes for CO2 taxes (penalty for negative externality.)

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Philip Lewis's avatar

The wind guys have been saying for years that they are economic without taxpayer money. But when it comes time for the subsidies to be renewed they always say they need them. And our feckless politicians are always ready to hand it to them. After all, it's only taxpayer's money.

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Paul F. Dietz's avatar

It's not a binary thing. Wind's cost will vary depending on location, and the cost of the competition will depend on whether we're talking about new construction or operation of existing generators (where costs are sunk), as well as depend on the cost of fuel (which will vary with geography.) Until wind is dominant everywhere, a subsidy will always move the boundary. But of course the value of the subsidy will also change with these circumstances as well.

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Philip Lewis's avatar

You seem very concerned about the well-being of the wind industry. The taxpayers, not so much.

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