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Ryan Davidson's avatar

You really can't run this analysis treating energy prices as if they were just like any other commodity. Energy is one of the most significant inputs for all commodities. It's either required directly in production/extraction (e.g., operating machinery, running factories, powering smelters, etc.) or indirectly (e.g., transportation costs). It's a very major factor in agricultural prices, not only in obvious ways, but because taken together, fertilizers and pesticides all by themselves represent something like 3-5% of the world's total fossil fuel consumption annually. That's in addition to the energy costs of operating agricultural machinery and shipping agricultural products absurd distances for packaging, distribution, and retail sale.

Like the tiny jar of honey I saw in my office breakroom this week. The honey itself was produced in New Zealand, it was packaged in the UK, and sold in Pennsylvania. The total cost of the product I held in my hands was probably mostly energy. The actual honey was almost a rounding error.

So when you look at all these various commodities, particularly agricultural prices, you should really account for movements in energy prices, as they make everything more expensive, in and of themselves.

I'd be very interested to see an update to this analysis with such an adjustment.

Chris Allen's avatar

The timing of the Ehrlich-Simon bet wasn’t random, it was at a time when prices had recently risen sharply. The debate was over whether this was due to exhaustion of resources (Erhlich’s argument) or just short term cyclical factors (Simon’s). Simon won the bet as of course supply of pretty much all commodities vastly increased and we didn’t all starve to death.

Importantly Simon didn’t ever say commodities would always decrease in price from any point, he was well aware of commodity cycles and trivializing the argument to this misses the point. The real lesson of this bet is the abundance one; we can rely on the power of the market to incentivize human innovation to increase supply. This contrasts with what superficially seems the more “sensible” doomster approach of government top down intervention and control but which has led to many disastrous and inhumane policies like Indian sterilization programs, or the Chinese one child policy.

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